Legislature(1995 - 1996)

04/18/1996 08:08 AM House STA

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 HB 485 - INTERFERENCE WITH DISTRIB. OF FREE PAPERS                          
                                                                               
 The next order of business to come before the House State Affairs             
 Committee was HB 485.                                                         
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on Christopher Knight, Researcher to                       
 Representative Terry Martin, to present the bill to the committee             
 members.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0888                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT, Researcher to Representative Terry Martin,                
 explained Representative Martin introduced HB 485 to address a                
 problem that was present on the college campuses across the nation.           
 Individuals that disagreed with the contents of a periodical were             
 disposing of them in large numbers.  He cited there had been                  
 similar instances in Fairbanks, Anchorage and Juneau.  House Bill             
 485 tried to address this issue by amending AS 11.46.484.  The bill           
 turned the action into a crime of criminal mischief in the third              
 degree.  Furthermore, although it was a "free" paper, there were              
 production, editor, staff, and printing cost that went into                   
 producing a free periodical.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1000                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked Mr. Knight, if according to the                   
 prosecutor, did the action of interfering with the distribution of            
 a free paper not constitute a crime, or was it not considered a               
 priority?                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1023                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. KNIGHT replied that was a good question.  He was told directly            
 by the Juneau Police Department that it was not a crime because it            
 was hard to determine the worth of a "free" newspaper.                        
                                                                               
 Number 1063                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER suggested asking the Office of the                      
 Prosecutor.  He explained just because it was free to the customer            
 that did not mean it was a value-less item.  It was at the least              
 vandalism, destruction of private property, or criminal mischief.             
                                                                               
 Number 1103                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN explained his staff pursued this issue also.             
 They were told there was not enough person power to prosecute                 
 because it was a low priority crime.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 1138                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. KNIGHT replied there were criminal actions, such as, writing a            
 bad check that were not given priority.  However, it did give                 
 the banking institutions the opportunity to seek a civil suit                 
 through the law.  That was the intent of HB 485.                              
                                                                               
 Number 1169                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Mr. Knight when he researched this              
 issue did he look at other states before setting the penalty at               
 $5,000?  She agreed with hitting somebody in the pocket book to               
 enforce this law.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 1212                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. KNIGHT replied many versions of the bill were drafted and other           
 states were looked at.  However, the current bill was considered by           
 the sponsor the best place to start.  The court would probably                
 recommend community service or paying a fine to the institution               
 rather than fining the individual $5,000 or sending him to jail.              
 The sponsor would be open to amendments to move the bill forward.             
                                                                               
 Number 1269                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Mr. Knight what would happen to a               
 person if the Juneau Empire or the Anchorage Daily News, for              
 example, were stolen?                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1277                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. KNIGHT replied because those newspapers were paid for it                  
 automatically was a theft.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1305                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN wondered if stealing a car was considered the             
 same as stealing a few newspapers.  He cited AS 11.46.484 addressed           
 both actions.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1341                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES said this was a cloudy issue.  She wondered if the                
 action of removing a few newspapers because of its contents was an            
 expression of free speech.  She did not support vandalistic                   
 behavior, however.  She further commented about the vulnerability             
 of a stack of free periodicals and wondered if it invited that type           
 of behavior.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1449                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER agreed that stacking free periodicals so that           
 they could be accessed easily was a common sense mistake.  However,           
 he did not doubt that the behavior was theft and at a minimum                 
 criminal mischief.  Therefore, another crime in statute was not               
 needed, but rather inspiring law enforcement and prosection to take           
 the cases.  He further suggested distributing the periodicals                 
 individually or including a sign that read "one per customer" as              
 possible solutions.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 1505                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN said the bill could be amended to include                 
 campaign literature to pass the bill forward in the legislative               
 process.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1513                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN wondered how a case like this would ever be              
 prosecuted.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1528                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES said many questions were involved, such as, where was             
 the stack of periodicals or was it a private area or a public area.           
 She agreed with Representative Porter that the behavior could be              
 considered criminal mischief.  Prosecuting the behavior would be              
 very difficult, however.  Furthermore, actions were sometimes put             
 in statute to announce the illegal activity.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1603                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. KNIGHT replied society was such today that newspaper stands and           
 stacks were more viable to distribute the periodicals.  That did              
 not invite criminal behavior, however.  There had been hundreds of            
 cases of this type of behavior.  He cited one case was taken to               
 court in Florida of which fines were assessed.  It was an issue               
 that needed to be addressed in Alaska.  The states of Vermont and             
 Maryland were also working on a law to address this issue.                    
 Moreover, the bill was drafted with intent language to prove the              
 behavior.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1691                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said he was not a lawyer or a law enforcement            
 person, but he believed intent was the toughest behavior to prove.            
 He championed the idea of the bill but believed it would be another           
 law that would not be enforced.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1725                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES stated that common law was based on intent which had              
 been forgotten over the years.  She understood intent was hard to             
 litigate, however.  It was more an issue now if one did it rather             
 than if one intended to do it.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 1746                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER stated there was a requirement to establish             
 intent for crimes of this nature.  Furthermore, each crime had                
 specific elements and each element needed to be established that              
 they occurred.  Evidence was then needed to support the criminal              
 elements.  After the evidence was collected, the case needed to be            
 sold to the prosecutor.  That process would continue whether or not           
 the crime was in statute or not.  Moreover, he explained intent               
 could be implied by the actions.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 1834                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON suggested the concept of a violation rather           
 than a criminal act in statute.  This would circumvent the                    
 prosecutor's office and use a judge instead.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1907                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER replied a police officer now could write a              
 misdemeanor citation for this offense.  He said it was a good idea            
 to reduce the offense to a violation to circumvent the prosecutor's           
 office.  The campus security office would then be more motivated to           
 enforce the violation.  He called it a viable approach.                       
                                                                               
 Number 1949                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES wondered if there were campus rules and regulations               
 that were being violated now.  Furthermore, she wondered if the               
 person that handed out the free literature was responsible for the            
 litter that was produced.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 2036                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN wondered if the consequence of a misdemeanor             
 was really intended.  He further wondered, if the last two                    
 periodicals, for example, taken by somebody would constitute a                
 crime.  He wondered again if that was the intent of HB 485.                   
                                                                               
 Number 2070                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES said this issue needed more thought.  She was willing             
 to move the bill forward to the House Judiciary Committee, however.           
                                                                               
 Number 2105                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON said it was more appropriate for the House            
 Judiciary Committee to review this issue further.  She was willing            
 to move the bill forward today.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 2122                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON moved that HB 485 move from the committee             
 with individual recommendations and attached fiscal notes.                    
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES announced there were witnesses present to testify.                
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON withdrew her motion.                                  
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the first witness in Juneau, Brooke Rohweder,           
 Editor, Whalesong Student Newspaper, University of Alaska                   
 Southeast.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2151                                                                   
                                                                               
 BROOKE ROHWEDER, Editor, Whalesong Student Newspaper, University of         
 Alaska Southeast, explained stacks of the Whalesong were found in           
 the local dumpster.  The act was witnessed but no consequence was             
 ever imposed.  She strongly felt that something needed to be done.            
 She said a person stole more than a free newspaper, he stole the              
 written work of students and tuition dollars.  Every student paid             
 an activity fee of which a few dollars went to the production of              
 the Whalesong which was about $10,000 per year.  That money was             
 also being thrown away.  Advertising was also being thrown away               
 which was worth about $1,000.  Furthermore, it was a violation of             
 the right to free speech.  Moreover, because the person at the                
 university never felt any repercussions, he could get away with it            
 again.  She announced it was a faculty member.                                
                                                                               
 Number 2261                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES said she understood the passion of Ms. Rohweder.  She             
 reiterated it was a subject that needed further attention.                    
                                                                               
 MS. ROHWEDER replied she was glad that it would receive further               
 attention.  She did not want the bill to die.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 2278                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER stated to Ms. Rohweder the violation that               
 occurred was criminal mischief in the fourth degree.                          
                                                                               
 Number 2288                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROHWEDER replied the idea of using campus security was good               
 because if a ticket was issued the person had to go to court.                 
                                                                               
 Number 2297                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Ms. Rohweder if the chancellor                  
 reprimanded the faculty member?                                               
                                                                               
 MS. ROHWEDER replied it was an internal matter.  She did not know.            
                                                                               
 Number 2311                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Ms. Rohweder if the concept of a                
 violation was a direction that she would support?                             
                                                                               
 MS. ROHWEDER replied, "absolutely."                                           
                                                                               
 Number 2329                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON moved that HB 485 move from the committee             
 with individual recommendations and attached fiscal notes.  Hearing           
 no objection, it was so moved from the House State Affairs                    
 Committee.  She asked that the concept of a violation be looked at            
 in the next committee of referral - the House Judiciary Committee.            

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